Why do Bookmakers Win ? Why Can't we Do what They Do ? Calculate the Games and come up with Their numbers ?

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Most of the time Spreads are so close to the outcome ....

What's their formula ? Why can't it be done by an outsider ? a Gambler ? ( even though some say they have )

The guys making the lines are Smart/Sharp ... but there has to be Guys out there that are just as Smart
 

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forget the juice.....pretend there was a bookie that offered no juice wagering, all NFL bets were +100.....people would still lose! I have seen so many pools over the years and the vast majority of people still fall below .500!
 

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It's simply the juice. They aren't anything special. I don't think "most" of the spread are close to the outcome. In fact I'm fairly certain most are not.
 
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It's simply the juice. They aren't anything special. I don't think "most" of the spread are close to the outcome. In fact I'm fairly certain most are not.

This year I agree, but in a lot of cases it's pretty tight.

Remember we're not talking about Football only ... Plus Totals too
 
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It's simply the juice. They aren't anything special. I don't think "most" of the spread are close to the outcome. In fact I'm fairly certain most are not.

also we all know they make their money on the Juice ... Even action is fine with them
 

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you are really referring to the linemaker and there are several of them out there that nobody knows about. kenny white is probably at the very top of the list or close to it and his abilities are in the genes as his father, pete white, was a premier linemaker. he works just as hard as any handicapper plus years and years of experience helps him put out as accurate a number as you could hope for. this is more of an art than a science as there are so many variables that enter into making a line. there are also other guys out there that are linemakers and nobody knows their name but they have a great deal of talent and work very hard at their craft.
 
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you are really referring to the linemaker and there are several of them out there that nobody knows about. kenny white is probably at the very top of the list or close to it and his abilities are in the genes as his father, pete white, was a premier linemaker. he works just as hard as any handicapper plus years and years of experience helps him put out as accurate a number as you could hope for. this is more of an art than a science as there are so many variables that enter into making a line. there are also other guys out there that are linemakers and nobody knows their name but they have a great deal of talent and work very hard at their craft.

Yes, Las Vegas Sports Consultants
 

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They have information that we dont....they no how the public is going to react to a line.thats all they need to no. It’s not about players, coaches,refs, its about what line will get us to play the way they want.they no exactly what a line of 6.5....7.0 and 7.5 on a game will get the bet they want.lets say they actually knew that a game was going to end 21-14.making the line 7 means nobody wins and nobody looses. So why do they make the line 6.5 or 7.5? That’s is what they no and we dont.
 
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They have information that we dont....they no how the public is going to react to a line.thats all they need to no. It’s not about players, coaches,refs, its about what line will get us to play the way they want.they no exactly what a line of 6.5....7.0 and 7.5 on a game will get the bet they want.lets say they actually knew that a game was going to end 21-14.making the line 7 means nobody wins and nobody looses. So why do they make the line 6.5 or 7.5? That’s is what they no and we dont.

I'm far from a spelling police.
But please use "know" instead of "No"
Thanks
 

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This year I agree, but in a lot of cases it's pretty tight.

Remember we're not talking about Football only ... Plus Totals too

I'd be curious to know how many original lines are within 1 score. I'm sure that's an easy stat for someone to dig up.
 

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I'd be curious to know how many original lines are within 1 score. I'm sure that's an easy stat for someone to dig up.

The distribution of point differentials or overall scoring for totals and how close they are to the number doesn't really matter though.

All that matters is if the line is as efficient as can be or not. Where it is the # that leaves no value for the bettor to suck any EV out of. That's the goal.

But to answer your question, I know for totals if it goes over/under then it does so by about 7pts each way on average. For sides, I don't recall ever reading any data on that but I'd guess like 4-5pts. Again, not really what to look at either way but the overall premise that "the oddsmakers always get so close" is a little bit mythical.
 

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The distribution of point differentials or overall scoring for totals and how close they are to the number doesn't really matter though.

All that matters is if the line is as efficient as can be or not. Where it is the # that leaves no value for the bettor to suck any EV out of. That's the goal.

But to answer your question, I know for totals if it goes over/under then it does so by about 7pts each way on average. For sides, I don't recall ever reading any data on that but I'd guess like 4-5pts. Again, not really what to look at either way but the overall premise that "the oddsmakers always get so close" is a little bit mythical.


Good stuff. That's the main point I was getting at.
 

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Line isn't indicative of the final of the final score. Adding a handicap makes it even tougher to predict.
 

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GREED People increase the size of their bets as their bankroll increases. The numbers eventually catch up with you.
 

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All a losing person has to do is bet the OPPOSITE of what they were going to bet.
 

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